17 Replies to “The latest Packham video on driven grouse shooting”

  1. SEPA state absolutely no pollution detectable through moor burn. You say their is. How much and what’s the exact costs involved? Or maybe another lie? Maybe another false story like the pheasant in a pipe that cost millions? Maybe like a seagull in a trap that the police say no crime?

    1. Andy – you are very rude, and unnecessarily so. Why do you call me a liar when you must know that isn’t the case? Was it abuse like this, and worse, that resulted in your Facebook account being suspended?

      EMBER study: http://www.wateratleeds.org/fileadmin/documents/water_at_leeds/Ember_report.pdf More acid, more particulate matter and higher water treatment costs. Water companies are all looking at ways to reduce these costs.

      And shall I assume that you accept the evidence on increased flood risk, increased greenhouse gas emissions and reduced aquatic biodiversity?

      1. Very interestingly a Mr James Marchington quoted that very same report in the comments of the video suggesting that it showed grouse moors were not all that bad! Not entirely sure how you could read it as saying anything other than burning is bad but there we go.

        1. I think we can safely assume, Ezra, that Mr Marchington will always take the opposite view. It is the extent and frequency of burning that is the problem as far as I can understand. On the subject of flooding, I am hoping very much that the next time the residents of Hebden Bridge find themselves having to leave their homes because of flooding, they present the bill for all the damage caused to the ‘benevolent grouse shooter’ up the hill!

    2. Everyone seem to agree that these were illegally-set spring traps so how quite can something be done which is illegal but no crime has been committed? In what way as you seem to be implying was this a ‘false story’? Why should someone apparently go to the trouble of the setting more illegal traps but then remove them after the first was found? If it was a ‘set-up’ then the more dead birds or traps found the better. Was the corpse of the dead Buzzard that has also been featured elsewhere her also a ‘false story’? If such nefarious activities are so widespread then why are the perpetrators never caught by the gamekeepers on whose familiar beat they operate with such ease? Why aren’t there dozens upon dozens of cases where these Machiavellian conspirators are brought to court (as per gamekeepers)? The only rational answer is the logical one that is staring everyone else in the face.

    3. Have they looked? I have seen plenty, including the biological changes… in fact you would need to be a game keeper not to see it.

      The police have not said that the gull in the trap was no crime…. they did not carry out that investigation, they turned up later to look for further evidence which had been removed.

      Lets just wait till the DNA results come back….

    4. Been tipling at the Glenmorangie Andy? Not a very coherent post even by your standards, must be feeling the pressure eh? Below the belt…well that’s what happens to people who publicly mock volunteers that treat injured willdife because they mistook a cuckoo for a kestrel. The noose (or snare) is tightening round the estates whose ‘legacy’ has been making sure that so many of us have been deprived of wonderful wildlife by generations of the rich and poor ignorant with a grossly inflated sense of their own importance. Getting very close to closing time now and you know it.

      1. Les, I was wondering about too much toxic lead in his [AR] grouse? Literal or metamorphic ‘grouse’ ….

        As for referencing a definitive statement Ernest Moss, I’ve yet to see them manage to quote robust science, for sure they like selective or that self funded ….

    5. ‘SEPA state absolutely no pollution detectable through moor burn’

      Please can you reference this Andy? That seems like a very definitive statement for SEPA to have made.

      1. Ernest – I’d be surprised if you find Andy answering questions. It’s not really his style.

    6. I don’t suppose Andy Richardson that you’re a grouse shooter by any chance are you? One of the things common among any of the unpleasant people who are killing our wildlife for fun I find, is that you all lie to justify what you are doing, the environmental consequences of what you are doing are well known and proven, its just that you don,’t care, and will cling to any untruth to continue your cruel and damaging pastimes

    7. Catching a Common Gull in a leg-hold trap is definitely a crime. See Sections 1 and 5 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act. The problem Police Scotland have is identifying a suspect.

  2. Fire, the destroyer of biodiversity. Where is the juniper, the large heath, what happens to the lizards. All that is left is dull heather.

  3. But there you go, those that support intensive grouse shooting are in complete denial of its management malpractices & serial crimes.

  4. I think the £ signs that the shoot owners see in their dreams are turning to 1d (old penny!) nightmares and they are clutching at burnt straws.

  5. This comment is a repeat of one I posted on Raptor Persecution UK. If Nicola Sturgeon wants Scotland to remain in the EU then perhaps she should start to make sure that moor owners comply with EU law with regard to the persecution of raptors and the desecration of the uplands.

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