After…things I would like to be different (5)

After coronavirus (which might be quite a long way away), or at least when the world settles down to a new normal, there are some things that I’d like to be different. So over the next days and weeks I’m going to write them down. They will mostly be to do with our relationship with the natural world (but not exclusively).

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The Westminster Petitions System

I’m a keen supporter of the idea that an ordinary citizen can initiate a petition to parliament which, if supported by enough fellow citizens, then receives a response from government. This seems to me to be a modern manifestation of an ancient right which goes back to and beyond Magna Carta.

The current process is only around a decade old and has generally evolved and improved over time.

The process is essentially this:

  • anyone can submit a petition which needs to meet a few sensible criteria
  • a petition is published (after a very variable time period) and then is ‘live’ for 6 months unless a general election intervenes to curtail things.
  • if a petition gets 10,000 signatures then a government department will eventually produce a response
  • if a petition gets 100,000 signatures then it receives a Westminster Hall debate where a shadow government minister and a government minister have an allotted time to respond to the petition.
  • and then, almost always, nothing happens.

There are some very good things about this process:

  • it exists
  • it is quite efficient
  • the technology works very well with instant updating of signature count and superb maps of where signatures come from
  • the triggering of a government response at 10,000 signatures, however awful and evasive, is an excellent thing
  • the debates are substantial in terms of time
Support for ‘ban driven grouse shooting’ petition by parliamentary constituency https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=266770

But there are some improvements that could, and should, be made:

  1. Good petitions can easily be overlooked: there are many petitions and it is time-consuming to look through them all – and I bet you don’t, do you? Therefore, it is really up to the person with a burning urge to right a perceived wrong to find a way to publicise their petition. There is not a perfect correlation between people having good ideas and people having the money, contacts, time, nous or social media strength to promote their good idea. If you want the process to be fair and powerful then this should worry you – so it worries me and it should worry the petitions committee. My solution?: tag each petition with the government department who will have to respond (easy!) and enable the petitions website to be searched by government department.
  2. Is this a UK or an England petition site?: the answer is that it is both, but that isn’t a very helpful answer even though it reflects the situation which pertains within the UK. Some issues are dealt with on a UK basis (eg foreign policy, Brexit, defence) and it is wholly appropriate for them to be dealt with by UK petitions to the UK parliament and to get some type of response from the UK government. But there are other issues, many other issues including driven grouse shooting, which are UK issues but each UK legislature has the ability to address mattters itself. And in these cases it seems odd that DEFRA responds in a way that disguises whether it thinks it is giving a UK view (which it can’t really) or an England view. I am really not sure how to improve this matter, but I do think it needs improving. One could limit petitions on subjects which are devolved responsibility to England only constituents and leave matters of UK parliament competence as UK petitions – I can see advantages and disadvantages. Or one could invite a response from the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Ireland governments on issues that are devolved – I’d like that, but I guess there would be an awful lot of harrumphing involved from all sides given that it is the UK parliament that set up this petition system (not the government) and other nations have their own parliaments. It would help if MPs with constituencies outside England contributed properly to the Westminster Hall debates. As I say, it’s a tricky issue. I feel compelled to note in passing that every time there is a UK petition calling for a ban on driven grouse shooting then the number of signatures coming from Scottish constituencies always vastly outnumbers those that supported licensing of grouse shooting in a Scottish petition.
  3. Inability to contact supporters: the current system puts parliament in control of all communications through the petitions system. I can understand that. The advantage of the system is that it is run by the Westminster parliament (not the government) and not by some commercial firm or NGO; in return the petitioner gets quite a lot (the 10,000 signature trigger and the 100,000 signature trigger) but compared with other petition sites, or indeed crowdfunder sites, the petitioner has no means of thanking supporters, asking them for more help or giving them updates, and those are real disadvantages if you are the campaigner. My solution?: the petitoner should be allowed to email all signatories of their petition (without having access to their identities) after a government response is published at 10,000 signatures, at 50,000 signatures, and at 100,000 signatures, and those emails should be published on the petition site. This would allow people to be thanked for their support and to be supported if they wished to do more on the subject in question.
  4. Government gets off Scot-free: the system allows government to write evasive and incorrect responses to petitions – parliament should not be happy with that. I’m not complaining that government doesn’t do anything in response to a petition that gets the requisite 100,000 signatures, after all, it’s hardly a referendum of the population, but a response should actually respond honestly to the petition. I’d be more impressed by a government response that said ‘We don’t care, we’re doing this anyway’ than the ones we get at the moment (particularly from DEFRA it seems to me) that appear to be written without regard to the question posed or the truth of the matter. My solution?: giving the petitioner the right of reply to a government response (see above) would sharpen things up quite a lot. For a crap response to be taken apart on the parliament website by an individual citizen would be a very powerful way of speaking truth to power. There would have to be rules of politeness and length but it is entirely feasible and would be entirely proper.
  5. What the Committee does: the Petitions Committee appear from the outside to be running a bureaucratic process (which really doesn’t need much MP input) rather than running an interface between the electorate and parliament and government (see here for their role). As it is at present, the whole process could be regarded as a sham that government can shrug off very easily – government can lie in its responses to petitions and suffer no comeback. The Petitions Committee does not, as far as I can see, make any assessment of whether the system is working or not, which government departments are most often targetted, and the quality of government responses – it could do all those things. A Secretary of State who had to answer questions along the lines of ‘Why are so many petitions directed at your department? Why are your responses so poor compared with those from other departments? Since your department didn’t answer this question XXXXX? would you like to answer it now?’ would be put on the spot.

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3 Replies to “After…things I would like to be different (5)”

  1. Excellent stuff Mark, I also think it’s a great system and tool for democracy (do they have anything similar in the U.S.A I wonder?), but elements need sharpening up especially being able to take the govt to task for crap responses which are all too frequent. For my part I’d like to add that to ensure people don’t miss a petition that’s of interest to them all the relevant ones could be bundled up and sent out in a block. There have been times when there have been three or four petitions both government and individual, NGO ones relevant to driven grouse shooting or a least gamebird shooting that have been running simultaneously. The govt couldn’t/wouldn’t run such a service, but I wish someone could notify someone like me periodically with all known petitions re fighting ivory poaching or DGS so I don’t miss any relevant ones and get them altogether rather than individually at infrequent intervals if that. Much easier to get them in a oner and sign them all if you wish.

    Another general point is that as a petitioner you hit the bullseye if you can get an organisation like FoE to agree to contact all members or at least local group admins to ask them to sign. However, understandably given the number of requests they receive very difficult to support all of them (another reason why relevant petitions should be put together in one notification?) so more likely you’ll be turned down. So it’s pretty much all or nothing which is hardly nuanced. The problem is taking DGS as an example there will be FoE members and groups that have dirty great grouse moors right where they live and are a massively relevant issue as well as others who don’t live anywhere near them. There should be a system where orgs have an option that if a petition isn’t promoted nationally it at least can be sent to localities where it’s very/super relevant. To me that currently a FoE or Labour Party group/member in the Peak District is as much left out of a drive for anti DGS signatures as ones in Devon for example is a bit ridiculous.

    Again this isn’t really relevant to govt petitions, but is a general point. The internet has opened up wonderful opportunities re petitioning, but given how ‘clever’ it is I think there are situations where a bit of common sense and a more subtle use of the system would make a big difference for petitioners and those who wish to support them. They are currently being missed which all things considered is rather surprising and frustrating.

  2. Until Westminster no longer functions as the government of England it cannot function as the Government of the UK. Until then it is the place where England gets to treat the other home nations as colonies. In fact I’ll go further, England should not just get devolution but it should be the regions of England which are devolved. Westminster should be the place where matters not devolved to Wales, Scotland, N. Ireland, The English North, The English Midlands, The English SW, and London and its SE dormitories, are discussed. Then, and only then, will Westminster be fir for purpose.

    And like the Belgian model of Devolution, each of the Devolved Parliaments shall have veto power on large scale constitutional changes made in Westminster. Of course it would require large scale changes in political thinking, along with current Westminster politicians giving up their control freak tendencies, so it will probably never happen. But it should.

  3. A very good appraisal Mark of the system and how it can be considerably improved. I think as yo say the Petitions should have much more teeth in respect to Government responses and hold Government Departments to account for their responses. Where appropriate there should be a follow up process say after 6 moths or a year to identify to the general public what the Department has actually done in respect to its original response. I think what we see so often is Government Departments giving half truths and vague responses such as “ we believe in all that is said and are working to that end” and one knows very well that it will all be filed in their“bottom draw”, nothing done at all and forgotten about.

    PS I will have a go at writing a guest blog

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